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	<description>Braving the demons of the deep in search of great copy</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Naomi,

Thanks for the comment. You are right of course, there is a lot of bad content/copy out there which I can imagine would make it a nightmare to design around.  The biggest problem I think both good designers and copywriters have is keeping the project focused on messaging and keeping the messaging focused on the customer / business goals.  

We-we copy is to copywriting what confusing, non-usability-friendly design is to professional Website design.

- Jeff
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Naomi,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment. You are right of course, there is a lot of bad content/copy out there which I can imagine would make it a nightmare to design around.  The biggest problem I think both good designers and copywriters have is keeping the project focused on messaging and keeping the messaging focused on the customer / business goals.  </p>
<p>We-we copy is to copywriting what confusing, non-usability-friendly design is to professional Website design.</p>
<p>- Jeff<br />
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		<title>By: Naomi Niles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naomi Niles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 04:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This makes sense. The only thing I don&#039;t necessarily agree with is that people don&#039;t think they can draw. Well, it&#039;s true they don&#039;t think they can draw, but they do think they know design. :)

I can understand this coming from the perspective of a designer and would apply a lot of it in reverse. 

Many many of my clients have been totally unprepared on the content end or they supply copy that is sub-par. I&#039;ve always preferred to work the site design around the copy, but that&#039;s not very easy to do when the copy is crap or non-existent. 

I don&#039;t consider myself a copywriter. I do most of my own writing for myself, but I&#039;m aware that I will eventually need to hire a professional to get it done right.

That said, I&#039;m slowly learning more about it so that I can help clients better in that regard. I&#039;m making my way through The Copywriter&#039;s Handbook and also Persuasive Online Copywriting. Bryan and Jeffrey have something for everyone, right? :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This makes sense. The only thing I don’t necessarily agree with is that people don’t think they can draw. Well, it’s true they don’t think they can draw, but they do think they know design. <img src='http://www.jeffsextonwrites.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I can understand this coming from the perspective of a designer and would apply a lot of it in reverse. </p>
<p>Many many of my clients have been totally unprepared on the content end or they supply copy that is sub-par. I’ve always preferred to work the site design around the copy, but that’s not very easy to do when the copy is crap or non-existent. </p>
<p>I don’t consider myself a copywriter. I do most of my own writing for myself, but I’m aware that I will eventually need to hire a professional to get it done right.</p>
<p>That said, I’m slowly learning more about it so that I can help clients better in that regard. I’m making my way through The Copywriter’s Handbook and also Persuasive Online Copywriting. Bryan and Jeffrey have something for everyone, right? <img src='http://www.jeffsextonwrites.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
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		<title>By: mark evertz</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark evertz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article that helped me get a lay of the land quickly. Thanks a lot. Really appreciate the your suggestions and those from the people who commented.
Always a big challenge, telling a designer why something isn&#039;t working...when you&#039;re not quite sure how to fix it. This will help.
Best,
Mark
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article that helped me get a lay of the land quickly. Thanks a lot. Really appreciate the your suggestions and those from the people who commented.<br />
Always a big challenge, telling a designer why something isn’t working…when you’re not quite sure how to fix it. This will help.<br />
Best,<br />
Mark<br />
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		<title>By: william</title>
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		<dc:creator>william</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to have you back!  Ive missed the posts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to have you back!  Ive missed the posts!</p>
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		<title>By: Colleen Wainwright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colleen Wainwright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What—no Tufte?!

Seriously (and MAN, is that dude serious), Tufte is probably overkill, or at least, the advanced class. Yet his arguments for the rational, sane, non-decorative use of design are bulletproof. Probably b/c, you know, he uses design. And a lot of unapologetically brusque—yet clear!—language.

Good post. Too many good writers out there get hoodwinked. Too many good people in general.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What—no Tufte?!</p>
<p>Seriously (and MAN, is that dude serious), Tufte is probably overkill, or at least, the advanced class. Yet his arguments for the rational, sane, non-decorative use of design are bulletproof. Probably b/c, you know, he uses design. And a lot of unapologetically brusque—yet clear!—language.</p>
<p>Good post. Too many good writers out there get hoodwinked. Too many good people in general.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Colleen Wainwright´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Communicatrix/~3/HYe_ezglrt8/book-review-the-book-of-awesome.html" rel="nofollow">Book review: The Book of Awesome</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://www.jeffsextonwrites.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 16:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just saw this post over at The Future Buzz that has some excellent clean vs. cluttered Web design examples.  Check it out: http://thefuturebuzz.com/2008/11/18/the-real-challenge-is-using-less/
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just saw this post over at The Future Buzz that has some excellent clean vs. cluttered Web design examples.  Check it out: <a href="http://thefuturebuzz.com/2008/11/18/the-real-challenge-is-using-less/" rel="nofollow">http://thefuturebuzz.com/2008/11/18/the-real-challenge-is-using-less/</a><br />
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Shane.  I&#039;ve heard good things about that book, but have never read it yet, myself.  I&#039;ll have to check it out the next time I&#039;m at the local bookstore.

- Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Shane.  I’ve heard good things about that book, but have never read it yet, myself.  I’ll have to check it out the next time I’m at the local bookstore.</p>
<p>- Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Arthur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d also recommend Robin Williams &quot;The Non-Designers Design Book.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’d also recommend Robin Williams “The Non-Designers Design Book.”</p>
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